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Tudor's Dibo

Dibo's dam was Ed Ritcheson's Bambi. Bambi, also known as Heinzl's Bambi, was sired by Ritcheson's Spike and she was out of Ritcheson's Spotty. A novice by the name of W. D. Smith acquired Bambi and made the breeding to Wiz Hubbard's Bounce. Smith eventually sold Dibo, as a pup, to a man named Jensen who only wanted a pet for his son. The young boy named his pet Dumbo, but tired of him and wished for a collie, as Lassie was popular at that time. Jensen then contacted Mr. Heinzl in regard to trading Dumbo for a collie pup. Howard Heinzl knew Bounce and Bambi were good individuals, but still had his doubts as one of Bounce's sisters were questionable, and Bambi was cold. The trade was made and Dumbo went home with Howard Heinzl and stayed, where he would follow Mr. Heinzl and stayed out of the reach of the other chained dogs on the yard for about two years.

Earl Tudor visited Heinzl's yard and took a liking to Dumbo. Mr. Heinzl offered Mr. Tudor any dog on his yard, trying to convince him to purchase a good dog. In spite of everything, Tudor took Dumbo home and changed his name to Dibo. Dibo was stolen shortly after and was sold to a restaurant owner, who named him Runt. Tudor got Dibo back from the gentleman and by the age of four, Dibo had finally turned on and eventually became a three-time winner at 44 lbs. His performance record is minute in comparison to his ability to produce.

He's sired:

Tudor's White Rock 4X winner

Tudor's Spike 4X winner

Tudor's Jeff 3X winner

Trahan's Blackie 3X winner

McCraw's Snowball

Harrel's Topper 5X winner

Heinzl's Polly

Ed Crenshaw's Buck

Edward's Sam

Carver's Cracker

Start (Haye's) Cry Baby 4X winner

Boudreaux'Blind Billy

and the list goes on.............

Dibo had two littermates that also made names for themselves: Heinzl's Arizona Pete and Langham's Lil.

TUDOR'S DIBO

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Tudor's Black Jack 16x

Earl Tudor always named Black Jack as the finest dog he had ever seen. Apparently, the dog was no slouch, as he was many times matched with dogs much heavier than he was, and he always won. As a matter of fact, he was open to whatever was available at any weight. Unfortunately, not much is known about the breeding on this dog, but the word I have is that he was Delihant on the top side and Swineford on his dam's side. That is only hearsay, but his matches are well substantiated, and everyone whom I ever knew who saw him proclaimed him the best!

TUDOR'S BLACK JACK

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Colby's Pinscher 1910

Colby's Pinscher: 72 pounds; 1910
Pinscher's pit record is vague, and for that reason he has been a subject of some controversy. However, Colby always referred to him as one of his all-time great dogs, and others who were in the area during Pinscher's heyday confirm his greatness. He apparently was game and a killing punisher. Most of our dogs have him in their pedigrees if we trace them back far enough. For those who wonder about the name, there were no Dobermans back in those days, and pinscher was the German word for "terrier". Unfortunately, that leaves us with another mystery: why would an Irishman give the German name for terrier to a box-headed dog like Pinscher?

COLBY'S PINCHER

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Ken Allen's Dbl Gr Ch Tornado

On December 8th, 1991, GR CH Tornado made bulldog history. She became the first ten time winner and DOUBLE grand champion in history.

With all great bulldogs there are people that detract from the achievements of these animals. Who Dbl GR CH Tornado could have beat or couldn't is a matter of one's own opinion. Who she did beat and who she didn't is a matter of record. The facts are that the list of notable dog people she beat is among the top the game has to offer today.

Her first match was into STP's Miss Piggy. STP was quoted saying, by a close source, that if he could get the bet covered, he would mortgage his house that Ken's 13 month old pup could not possibly beat Miss Piggy. Luckily for this proud fellow, the bet was not called as Miss Piggy was victim number one.

The pattern continued as Dbl GR CH Tornado beat D. Farve & JJ Hayward, Bobby Hall, Tant & Co., and Chicago Combine.

A while later, GR CH Tornado came to Florida to claim her sixth win. She beat "Emma" in 1 hour, 17 mins. Tito of the Local Boys was next in line and his bitch did not last the half hour mark and T. Garner and Raheem's bitch went out game in half that time. Rastaman brought opponent number nine in the form of Boone's Sadie, she was wisely picked up at 45 mins. Her tenth and final match was against the Canadian Francois Shobinoe, a man that brought a very game and talented bitch. It officially went 2hours, 34 mins. A wager was made on Tornado's gameness and ability to finish a dog. At 3 hours and 18 mins in 25 degree weather, she was broken off her expired foe and then scratched back to it without hesitation. (most dogs will not do this)

All of the above dogs failed to live under Dbl GR CH Tornado except for one. All of them scratched dead game. She won her first at 13 months, and her last at the age of seven years old. Tornado's total fight time was 10 hours, 20 mins. She killed three of the dogs without getting one puncture in her skin. Her 8th and 9th matches were only 3 weeks apart from each other.

Many people say that Tornado did not produce. But what people don't say is that she was only bred twice and many only took those and bred them back to her father whom was a ROM. Though, she did produce two known 2x's including Ken Allen's Movin On.

ALLEN'S TORNADO

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Finley's Ch Bo ROM

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J. E. ALEXANDER VS. B. FINLEY-MALES @43 LBS-CAJUN RULES-G. CURTHCINS REFEREE. JE USING A RED AND WHITE RED NOSE HE CALLS SPIKE, WHICH IS A ONE TIME WINNER. SPIKE WAS SAID TO HAVE SCRATCHED 35 TIMES IN THAT WIN. FINLEY USING HIS 2 TIME WINNER BO, A BUCKSKIN OUT OF LOPOSAY'S DUBBS AND LOPOSAY'S DOT. A TURN CALLED ON SPIKE AT 5 MINUTES AND FIRST SCRATCH COMES AT 18. DOGS FIGHT DEAD EVEN THROUGHOUT THE FIRST 1 1/2 HOURS. WHEN SPIKE BEGINS TO SCRATCH SLOW WITH BUTT FIRST. AT THE 2 HOUR 1 MIN, SPIKE TO SCRATCH BUT TAKES THE COUNT. FINLEY AND BO WINNERS IN 2 HOURS AND 2 MIN. MAKING BO A THREE TIME WINNER AND WELL DESERVED CHAMPION.

FINLEY'S BO (5XW)

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Carver's Stompanato ROM

Carver's Stompanato sired many Champions and Producers. Including Jackson's Ch Bocefuss, Kearn's Bup ROM, Pitre's Gr Ch Jim Bob (Carver's), Pitre's Ch Stabber, Solis' Ch Brynner, and Hood & Grieves Ch Ty.

It was found that he was bred often with Art's Missy ROM. The reason why is Carver's Stompanato was 3/4 Eli with a 1/4 Dibo cross which matched Missy. Therefore, he was bred to Missy to bring it back upfront.

P. CARVER'S STOMPANATO

Corvino's Teddy

Corvino's Teddy was a buckskin and white 46-47lb. dog, sired by Corvino's Copper Boy, out of Corvino's Babbs. Both Copper Boy and Babbs going back to Tudor's Goldie. To the best of knowledge, the only contest Teddy ever had won was against Offers Silver--they met in Chicago on Feb. 12, 1964. Sonny Boy handled Teddy, and Offer handled Silver, a dog from Burleson Brothers, Mike Ferris was referee. These dogs fought chest to chest for over 2 hours. After the first 15 minutes Sonny Boy and Offer had hoped they were talking to the right dog, as they both were buckskin and white and it was almost impossible to tell them apart. They fought like monkeys, locked together on the floor of the pit, biting very hard. They were under UKC rules and only scratching on the turns. After 6 or 7 scratches Silver took the count at 2:15 minutes. Both dogs died within hours after the fight. Teddy didn't have as much pure ability, but it would have taken a ace to whip him. He was one of the gamest, most determined dogs that ever crossed a pit. Andre Giroux and Bert Sorrels are just a couple of men who bred or are breeding dog's going back to Teddy.

CORVINO'S TEDDY

Greenwood's Oakie

this is probably one of the best breedings i think .oakie was a good dog and producer and had good brothers and sisters , that produced.they are behind some of the best of the best . this is the foundation behind lonzos stuff and a lot of the ozzie blood . but what a lot of people dont know ,is that if this breeding never took place they wouldnt have there gr.ch.yellow blood or most of the tant dogs . just lil info for all the redboy rules and zebos dogs are cures wannabees.lmao

oakie produced ch.freddie and ch.homer .was double grandsire to ch.spitfire.and grand sire to ch.rosey , ch.suzy , gr.ch.virgil and his brother ch.zero.

his sister gregs lady produced ch.bullwinkle and big boy . and is grandmother to gr.ch.zebo, vindicator, & rosie

now for those that didnt know tants miss jocko is off chavis lady rose who was off ch.jocko to chavis ch.lady sassy mead . chavis lady sassy mead was half zebo type blood through the (andy x fay breeding)this is her ped.

********************bass tramp red boy
**********bass tramp red boy jr
********************bass cleo

*chavisch.lady sassy mead

********************lonzos junior (andy X fay)
**********chavis black betty
********************lonzos rosie (andy X angie)


now junior was a brother to oakie and lady, and rosie is sister to zebo and vindicator. also rosie mom angie is off lady oakies sister .

well i beter shut up lol i could go on forever lol. hope this gives little insight to those who care about this blood.

TMF

GREENWOOD'S OAKIE

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Ch Going Light Barney

Although I have often been referenced as the authority on Going Light Barney, I must confess that I never even saw Barney in holds. I found it quite fascinating, however that he was one of the most controversial dogs of which I ever knew. I think part of the reason for that fact was Barney's flamboyant owner, who is still alive as I write this. Although not a bad fellow, he had a way of stirring up the dander of other dog men. Consequently, all of Barney's accomplishments were always scrutinized with a jaundiced eye. Since I had my picture taken with Barney, a lot of people seem to think that Barney once belonged to me, but such was not the case, although I did own a daughter of his which I bred back to him. That breeding produced George, one of my finest all-time dogs from a pitdog perspective.

Its hard to believe now, but Barney was welped way back in the 60's, so he is definitely an old timer. He was a product of breeding a daughter of Johnson's fabulous Goofy dog to a Rascal bitch. That produced Barney's mother, Penny, and she was nothing to write home about-possibly a cold bitch and a trifle shy. She was bred to Rootberg's Booger, strictly on the basis of his being a pure Corvino dog. So it is not surprising that not much was expected of the litter, but it produced Barney and several females which were renowned for their gameness, one of them, Going light Babe, winning best in show down south in a losing effort!

Barney had a storied career. He had been farmed out to some guy in the inner city to raise and was rolled from the time he was six months old, something no educated dog man would do. After he killed two dollar George, a highly valued pit dog in a pick up match when he was only a little over a year old, he was reclaimed by his owner, who called himself Larry Light in the pit circuit. He was matched into fast company down in Mississippi against a Carver dog and won handily in about 20 minutes. This was the convention which also featured Boomerang and the immortal Bolio. Bolio won best in show because he won over the dog with the highest reputation, a dog which was thought to be unbeatable.

The controversy comes from the fact that Barney was counted out in his third match in Dallas. Larry swore up and down that he was doped, as the dog didn't know where he was, and had lost his equilibrium for several hours. Whatever happened, Barney came back to win six in a row against the best the other side could come up with. One match was raided and the dog confiscated. This was before the felony laws, and the dogs were broken out of the pound in which they were held. The match was held, and Barney won in an hour and five minutes. Barney was dyed black and shipped to a preacher in New Mexico. Part of the reason for all of this chicanery was that Larry was suing the animal control people for losing possession of his dog!

Barney's toughest match was against another ear dog, extremely well thought of, and the match went nearly two hours before Barney prevailed. That was back in the oil crisis days, in which you couldn't plan a long trip, as you might run out of fuel. Larry and his cohorts loaded up the station wagon with several gallons of gasoline so that they could make the trip there and back without having to worry about fuel. I was in vited to go along, but I was not of mind to travel in that rolling time bomb! Hence, I missed my chance to see a great match. Barney usually had an easy time with his opponents, controlling them with ear holds until the dog was worn down, and then Barney went in for the kill. I think it was the quit in Dallas that made it possible for Larry to go on finding matches for Barney.

After the above mentioned match, a fellow named Jobe, who put out a pit dog magazine, did a cover story on Barney. He had been there at the match, and he dubbed Barney a Grand Champion. That was the first time I had ever seen the term used. Now, he would not be eligible for the title because of the loss in his second match. Mitigating circumstances don't count, and besides, Larry was never able to prove anything.

Barney was known more for ability than gameness, but he was game enough to win, and the loss came under suspicious circumstances. Barney was an unusual Bulldog in that he had an aloof personality, in direct contradistinction to most bulldogs. He won Larry's wife over because he would sit up and do tricks on the chain or in the kennel run, but once he was taken out, his demeanor changed completely. He had achieved his goal, so the claim was gone, and he simply was off to do what he wanted. Larry, who was a real-estate speculator who owned half the land in San Diego county, loved the deviousness of the dog. He was also delighted that his wife, who abhorred the pit dog game, was Barney's stoutest ally-although she certainly never went to a match.

Barney was never open to stud, and he was never bred much, as Larry seemed to concentrate his breeding program on breeding dogs that were down from Penny and in breeding Barney's sisters, in particular Babe. Larry was one of those guys who kept track of litters by naming all the pups with the same letter, but somehow one in this litter got named Scarlet. Although a fine pit dog, she escaped Larry's ownership. Another game sister of Barney was Belle, who won several matches.

As for the blue dogs most of them are sought out today by those who want them for appearance. I have even heard it said that all blue dogs stem from staff blood. Being of the skeptical nature, I tend to doubt that fact. One of the best dogs I ever saw was a blue dog and his brother in a Las Vegas convention. They were both talented and game, but I was never able to ascertain their breeding-but they certainly seemed to have no staff blood in them. Besides, the staff standard calls for black nose, so I doubt that would be the source of blue dogs. In truth, there are probably a multitude of sources as it seems to be a simple mendelien trait.

Readers may be assured to learn that Heinzl once informed me that the last Stratton he knew was African-American gentleman who had a strain of blue dogs. Again, he didn't know the breeding on them, but Howard said they were as game a line as he had ever seen. And Howard was tough to please!

People with little experience are quick to denounce Barney and the blue dogs. I would suggest a little caution in that respect. Barney may have not been the greatest dog of his time, but he beat some really good dogs. And not all blue dogs are alike.

by Richard F. Stratton

GOING LIGHT BARNEY

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Crenshaw's Ch Honeybunch ROM

The story of CHAMPION HONEYBUNCH is written as all fighting dog stories, and that is by the dog themselves. What can be added to the accomplishments HONEYBUNCH has made as a winner, a champion and a producer. HONEYBUNCH today is regarded as the most influential factor in the history of dog fighting, her amazing ability to produce has proclaimed her the very top producer of all times. It is with great pleasure that I recall some of the events of her life in this exclusive story for the American Gamedog Times.

I purchased HONEYBUNCH from Maurice Carver in 1972 as a five month old pup. She was very active as Maurice had told me, I placed her on the chain and watched as she developed into one of the best looking bitches I have ever owned. HONEYBUNCH was a looker, super active on the chain and when rarely caught standing, stood like a great show horse with her legs spread wide apart. HONEYBUNCH was a great looking bitch, but was every bit as good as she looked. Over the years I have had many people and many fanciers to ask questions in regard to HONEYBUNCH'S record, ability, style and general behavior. I will try to answer some of those questions in this story.

THE PIG PICKIN: Some matches were held in the Carolinas in the mid seventies. There was a pig pickin (this is a cliche for BBG) before the matches were to take place. This show was significant because both the great CHAMPION RASCAL and CHAMPION HONEYBUNCH were cofiscated as a result of a bust after the fights were held. The complete story of the rescue of these two great a not be told at this time, but both HONEYBUNCH ad RASCAL were saved from the wrath of the authorities and were returned to the friendly pitbull dog environment. The complete story of the rescue has been told ad will be documented later.

RECORD: CHAMPION HONEYBUNCH was matched three times, winning all three! She was conditioned and handled by me in all three of her fights. I have read some advertisements saying she was a five time winner in some old magazines, these ads are sometimes confused with a dogs actual record.

ABILITY: Many great dogs have been criticized for their ability for one reason or another. No dogman that ever saw CHAMPION HONEYBUNCH in action can say that she cut any slack to any of her opponents. In all her matches she took charge from the word PIT and dominated her opponents. No dog could or would scratch back into her after fourty minutes. HONEYBUNCH was what we call in the game a main player. Like Tyson in the boxing world, you may not win them all, but the opponent had better come to play. One person who can testify to HONEYBUNCH'S biting power is Rex B. Rex was the judge for HONEYBUNCH'S second match and was accidently bitten by her while unfanging her. Rex was working with a breaking stick when HONEYBUNCH clamped onto his thumb. When it appeared to me that the dogs were free I quickly turned HONEYBUNCH from her opponent when Rex said, "Jerry, she still got my thumb". It had been quite a struggle to seperate these two fast mouth bitches and I didn't realize HONEYBUNCH was still clamped tight to Rex's thumb. The Old Man on the Mountain replaced Rex as a referee and the match resumed. Rex who is the kind of man who would not yell out in protest or make a big scene, but for the next few days he realized why the Hispanics call the thumb, "Fat Finger".

A LESSON LEARNED: A vauable lesson was taught to me by HONEYBUNCH when she was still a young gyp. A well renowned dog man of the area came to my place to roll a female when HONEYBUNCH was 18 months of age. I was eager to show off my latest Carver aquisition so I took HONEYBUNCH off the chain and faced her up with the experienced brindle bitch. The brindle crossed, took hold of HONEYBUNCH and started to shake, HONEYBUNCH just rolled her big dark brown eyes at me to say, what's going on. The brindle's handler yelled, "I'd shoot that bitch, she won't even fight". I was to proud of my bitch to resort to anything like that, after all she came from the "Old Master" and I placed her back on her chain and decided to wait until another day to show her off.

PRODUCTION: HONEYBUNCH was blessed with the amazing ability to bestow upon her offsprings her own ability to preform as well as produce. HONEYBUNCH was easy to breed, produce large litters of puppies ad raised most of them. This trait coupled with the uncanny ability to reproduce her likeness, has proclaimed her the greatest producer of all times. Her mating career was started after the poor showing verses the brindle female previously mentioned. The choices of studs to be bred to her would also play a large roll in her rapid advance to stardom. The excellent selection of CHAMPION BO, CHAMPION RASCAL and CHAMPION OTIS by James Crenshaw coupled with some older brothers and sisters off of TRIM MOODY and OSO NEGRO from my place caused a pyramid effect and spread the HONEYBUNCH fame around the world. I bred HONEYBUNCH to TRIM MOODY when she came into heat the second time. TRIM had a very impressive win in 56 minutes before the mating. During the match TRIM suffered damage to his private parts, but came from the bottom to win. I had tested TRIM MOODY before this match ad determined that he was dead game. This mating produced only three surviving males ad all three males became match dogs they were GRAND CHAMPION WEEHUNT, JOKER and BULLY BOB. After HONEYBUNCH weaned this litter I tried her again and really liked what I saw. She was as rough as any female I had ever witness. Her test was her first match and she proved her worth by taking out a very good opponent and scratched so hard that if her foe did not meet her half way, they would be knocked back to the corner wall. I contacted Dr. Kimsey Wood in an effort to try breed my suped-up little match bitch to OSO NEGRO, I asked if he would agree to a pick. It suited the Doc "OK" and I was just as pleased as OSO NEGRO was building a reputation by kicking bull dog asses around the circuit, at the time. We stuck these two together and produced a litter of nine pups, but only two males. When the picking time came, the doctor said, "Jerry, I sure would hate to take one of those pretty males, I would just as soon take two females". I sent do home with two bitches that produced several match dogs as well as reputable producers.

FACT: HONEYBUNCH returned to the four squares to win two more impressive battles. The second of these was the Pig Pickin match famous for the big bust. The opponent in this match was conditioned and handled by Scotty Todd, he was using a good little black female at a weight of 38 1/2 lbs. This was a little heavy for our heroine, but I felt that I would spot a pound or so. I was right, she cut this one down in twenty-eight minutes. One of the pleasures of owning CHAMPION HONEYBUNCH was the superior feeling obtained from watching her work. She was always the same in all her matches, rolling, controlling and always dominating her victim. By the mid-seventies I decided to sell off some of my stock, but didn't want to put HONEYBUNCH on the open market. James Crenshaw had a deep interest in the Carver family as I did, he was very dedicated and a known eye for a good one. HONEYBUNCH'S fighting days were over, but she was in the prime of her producing life. James and I reached an agreement of sale and both of us reaped the harvest of the fruits of his great vine even up to today.

TRUTH: The world of THE AMERICAN GAMEDOG was upgraded by the life of CHAMPION HONEYBUNCH. The dog fraterity will continue to improve as a result of her exsistence. The augments in regard to her offspring will continue for years to come.

QUESTIONS: The question has been asked many times which of HONEYBUNCH'S litters was the best? Which of her offspring was the best? These questions will still be asked after all of us are long gone. Crenshaw and I agree on the complexing of this question, even after seeing the results of each litter. My view is, how do you or where do you find a litter that can compare to the records of champions JEEP, CHARLIE and HOLLY? Eleven wins and no losses were recorded by the trio. HONEYBUNCH'S first litter however in which all three males were matched, won ten and lost only two. The accomplishments of GRAND CHAMPION SNAKE can not be ignored either in the search for the best, OTIS also produced others of recogition, in this litter. When it comes down to the big question of which offspring was best? It really puts you in a bind. Crenshaw and I agree CHAMPION CHARLIE was a better athlete than JEEP, but that the JEEP dynasty is now in a full bloom with the prime status and the unprecedented 15 point ROM ranking and is sure to go higher. GRAND CHAMPION WEEHUNT can not be overlooked either. Although he was ot an impressive, barn storming type of dog. he always gave me his best and won six consecative matches verses the competition of the time. His first win was at Crenshaw's place when matched into a five time winner called TIGER. TIGER was a veteran of six matches at the time. The Florida boys told me that TIGER had been matched when he was 18 months old and was picked up after making a good showing against the older and possibly better dog. TIGER returned to win five and met WEEHUNT for his seventh time out. WEEHUNT took a pretty good beating and came from the bottom to win in one hour and twenty eight minutes. I was once accused of picking a soft spot for WEEHUNT when I agreed to match into a one time winner in the Volunteer state, instead of a two time winner in the Low Lands. Well as fate would have it, WEEHUNT defeated the one time winner, the two time winner from the Low Lands lost to another two time winner. WEEHUNT then went on to beat the winner of that match when he went for his fourth triumph. I once won two matches in three weeks when I substituted WEEHUNT for another male I had matched at 38 1/2 lbs. I matched WEEHUNT at 37 lbs just three weeks earlier. He got lucky and ran DD from Florida's entrant out of the square in 5 minutes. WEEHUNT record was six and zero, but to say he was the best in the company of CHAMPION HOLLY, CHAMPION JEEP or GRAND CHAMPION SNAKE is a dilemna that defies a simple solution. CHAMPION HOLLY ranks among the best bitches i have ever seen and in my mind may be HONEYBUNCH'S best offspring. HONEYBUNCH also produced litters from OSO NEGRO, RASCAL and TRIM MOODY. Yielding brood stock that in turn produced the famous MOUNTAIN MAN'S CHAMPION HOMER strain, SNAKEMAN'S GRAND CHAMPION PEDRO, FLIM FLAM, CHAMPION BUBBA, CHAMPION SANDMAN (SANDMAN was also a grandson of JEEP as well as RASCAL JR.) and many more. Everytime you open your Sporting Dog Journal there is a new champion with our star HONEYBUNCH in the third, fourth or now fifth generation and another notch or two added to JEEP'S ROM status.

CONTROVERSY: Yes, even the greatest of the great must also be subjected to the possibility of someone who may enter a bogus name onto a pedigree. the last question I will try to answer in this story and the bottom line of the is: "OK Maurice, If HONEYBUNCH really was sired by a Spanish Pointer, could you please send me one more just like her!" After one of HONEYBUNCH'S impressive wins I called Maurice to brag of her win. I told Maurice, "She sure can bite" he replied, "Well God Dam sonnnn, she's got a license too."

ACKNOWLEDGMENT: The fame of HONEYBUNCH would not be as vivid had it not been for the many contributions of severl breeders including Crenshaw and myself. The others that were key breeders of this family have been James Garrett, Gene Smith, George Wilcox, M. Stover, E. Reece along with a host of others who believed in this line and has helped in the advance of this famous strain of dogs. Last but most, The San Antonio Rose as Don Mayfield called him, The Immortal Maurice Carver.

FUTURE: It has been said that HONEYBUNCH could produce match dogs from a German Shepard and I can't deny or confirm that. I will say, "I quess there will never be another one like her". We will continue to breed and somewhere in the back of our minds we will hope to find one who will fill her collar.

In closing, I want to relate to you something that happened the other day as I was recently visiting a local Wal-Mart. I overheard a conversation between two young men, one of them was a apparently a Pitbull owner and the other youngster a friend of an owner. The conversation went something like this: "Your friend got good dogs man?" Reply: "Yeah man, he has got some real rollin stones". Owner: "He got any Dibo blood, Blood?" Reply: "Yeah man, I don't know if I heard of that one or not." Owner: "How about HONEYBUNCH?" Reply: "Yeah man, I've heard of that one." I nodded to them as I pushed my shopping cart loaded with Ole Roy by them as my mind went to remembering the great CHAMPION HONEYBUNCH R.O.M.

This article was written by Irish Jerry in the American Gamedog Times.

Another Story on Honeybunch:

My Honeybunch Story

(by Rene Crenshaw)

I was young when Honey came to our home. You know, it seems strange today that a dog I fed and watered for years is famous enough to write about. That was just our life then and Honey was just one of our dogs (to me). I never did know Honey that well. I didn’t play with her. Actually, I was kind of afraid of her. I don’t know why. She never did anything to me. I would just walk straight into her run (never looking at her), scrub her water bowl, put fresh water, give her food, and back out of her run. That’s it. I played with her pups and helped to name them. Jeep was named after our Aqua Jeep Comanche Daddy owned. But as far as remembering any specific things about Honey—I don’t really. I remember seeing her in our barn with a litter of pups she just had. I remember Daddy having her in our house taking pictures (one pic is in Richard Stratton’s book “The Book of The American Pit Bull Terrier”). And I remember we used to get a kick out of seeing how many of her pups had the dark spot at the top of their tails. Most all of them did. Oh, and I remember when Daddy decided to sell her. She was either pregnant or had pups and he sold them all together. I think she was pregnant. Well, that’s all I remember about Honeybunch.

CRENSHAW'S HONEYBUNCH

Hobb's Tuffy 1x

Hobb's Tuffy is most definitely a tuffy when her first time out she won over Bill Lee's Jap 5x winner in 4hrs and 24 min. She was known to be a game, intense, and intelligent female off of the Indian Bolio line. She is also the granddam of Frisco.

When requesting information on this female, we unfortunately uncovered a misunderstanding between breeders involving a stud fee... From what I gather, Patrick's Commander White Head was being held on D. Ruth's yard. D. Ruth was Patrick's partner at this point in time and Patrick also lived with him. Patrick owed Ruth for some other things concerning Commander White Head when Hobbs had a female to come into heat. Hobbs did pay D. Ruth 2 pups for stud fee on Commander White Head. It was noted for Patrick to talk to D. Ruth about receiving this stud fee that was paid to D. Ruth as well as get other things straighten between the two of them. Obviously, there are some hard feelings about the entire situation to this day.

HOBB'S TUFFY

Snakeman's Gr Ch Pedro ROM

Grand champion Pedro was bred by James Crenshaw, who owned Ch Rascal at the time of the breeding to Dow's Sandy. Sandy was a product of Wood's Oso Negro(Ch Rascal's brother) being bred to Ch Honeybunch. She was a very good producer as she appears in the pedigree of some very good dogs: holcomb's Zeus and Meade's Gr Ch Crazy Turf Man just to name a couple.

Pedro was game tested for :45 at a young age and showed that he was a dead game dog, but didn't show the bite and flash that Crenshaw was looking for. Pedro then went to Emmitt A. and was advertised in the journal, at stud by Bobby Cox under the name of Wee Willie. He won many matches under the name of Wee Willie and Lil Joe. A. Davis Sr. (A.K.A. the snakeman) then purchased Pedro from Emmitt for $600. Immediately after purchasing Pedro, Snakeman took him to the pit.

His first amtch was into the Alabama Boys at 35 pounds.It took :37 to total this dog as Pedro showed a devestating bite in this match. Number two was into Texas' Cupid at 35 and a half pounds,this turned out to be Pedro's longest and hardest match, as it lasted 2:47 with both dogs scratching until Cupid expires trying to make his last. With two impressive victories, Snakeman is now ready to take a shot at a championship with his dog he feels you will have to kill in order to beat. Pedro's third comes two months later, Tar Heel's Buck. Snakeman saw Buck go previously and knew Pedro could beat him even though it was a short time after his last match. Perdo finished Buck in :47, but many claimed it was over in :10. After winning his championship, Snakeman was approached by A. Nance, who claimed his Big Ben dog could whip Pedro. Subsequently a match was set for the following month, with Pedro going into a 2X winner Big Ben at 35 pounds. By the :10 mark it looked as if Ben was going to do just that, but Pedro took a skin hold on the lip for :30. By the :50 mark, Pedro comes to the top and has Big Ben looking for a way out. AT :52 Ben is singing and Nance picks him up. After collecting forfeits from Super Gnat (Ch Chino), Turlington's (Dipstick),R. Sorrells, and W. Spencer, Pedro was retired. Until Nance comes back, to get his money back that he lost, with his six year old 8X winning dog named Sarge. Sarge was of Ed Crenshaw's breeding and was purchased specifically to beat Pedro. In the match, Sarge was very effective with his mouth and paced himself very well. The first hour was a wrestling match, by the second it was a war, as Pedro got his second wind and buried himself into Sarge's chest. With this win Pedro became a registered 5X winner, thus making him GRAND CHAMPION PEDRO. In all Gr Ch Pedro won a total of 11 matches, 9 contracted.

His breeding career has outshined his match career as he has produced champions Rush, Mert, Pedro jr., Beak, and Gr CH Madge, thus giving him 6 ROM points.

Later Gr Ch Pedro was sold to M. Harris, and stayed there for a short while, and then was sold to T. Garner who made numerous breedings with Pedro and then he sold him to a fancier in Canada, where he died.

GRAND CHAMPION PEDRO R.O.M., TRULY A DEAD GAME DOG THAT LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT.

SNAKEMAN'S PEDRO

Brewer's Vindicator

Many fanciers are not familiar with this brother to ZEBO, who was also an excellent match dog. Surprisingly, it was VINDICATOR who was better known among active dog men around the South. Few of the Southern fanciers knew a lot about zebo, but they were familiar with VINDICATOR'S wins over top-notch bulldogs. An example of this is when Irish Jerry wrote a letter to the editor of one of the magazines, questioning if VINDICATOR'S wins were used to build up zebo's long match record. Quite a few dog men saw VINDICATOR'S decisive wins over Finley's CH. BO, R(J.1. (Sire of JEEP) and Baker Davis' JASPER. In both matches VINDICATOR came in under the weight but won in dramatic fashion. VINDICATOR and his sister ROSIE were quite different in appearence than their brother,zebo. While zebo was black and squarely built. VINDICATOR was a red, red nose with a wedge shaped head. VINDICATOR was longer and built lower to the ground. The difference in appearences was striking enough to cause speculation that they were sired by Lonzo's ANDY, but out of different bitches. In spite of this difference both dogs were matched at around the same weight and had similar styles.ZEBO and VINDICATOR were powerful bulldogs, they put tremendous pressure on their opponents, had good mouths and liked the front end.

Lonzo Pratt bred these dogs and matched VINDICATOR into Finley's BO. Lonzo had bet Bob Finley that Bo would not scratoh over an hour into the match, but Bo did scratch showing good gameness. Bo was picked up at 1:30 and refused a courtesy scratch. Few fanciers present blamed BO for not scratching, he had taken a lot from VINDICATOR. Of course, Bo went on to win a championship and proved to be a great producer of match dogs.

Atlas Brewer purchased VINDICATOR and his sister ROSIE after the win over BO. Rumor at the time had it that several "VINDICATORS" were sold but Brewer was confident that he purchased the real VINDICATOR and matched him into JASPER. a son of GR.CH. BOOMERANG out of Davis' PIGGY.

JASPER proved to be a tough opponent. He and VINDICATOR had the same style. The long trip caused VINDICATOR to dry out and he came in two pounds light. which made him a significant underdog. For an Hour and a half these two brutes were locked together like two monkeys. There were no turns. no out of hold counts. VINDICATOR was voted BEST IN SHOW over SNOOTY and RASCAL who also won that night.

Fortunately, VINDICATOR'S sister ROSIE was! loaned to my brother in exchange for a BEST IN SHOW winner HURRICANE CARTER. While on loan ROSIE whelped a litter by Devine's 3x winner BRUCE;(BOOMERANG x PATTI), which produced St. B.'s CHERUB (SARAH) who in turn whelped St. B.'s DYLAN.

Ben Van H. bred many winners from DYLAN including a dog he called TAPS who recently won over Duhon's T-BONE in 2:20, ROSIE died from heartworms shortly after the BRUCE breeding. VINDICATOR'S impact as a stud dog was negligible, but the blood was carried on by his sister ROSIE and ZEBO.

~ by Barney Fife

BREWER'S VINDICATOR

Kirkland's Ch Texas

Texas' first match was against Villarreal, which he won easily. His second match was into Mayo's 4-time winner Plug. It went 1:15 and Plug didn't make it in the end.

Third match was into Black Faul's Diamond. For this fight I raised Texas' weight up to 40 lbs. and this hurt him bad, because in the first 15 minutes Diamond never got off of his back but Texas steamed up and allowed the other dog some leeway. After being completely heat tested Texas keeps scratching after collapsing in his corner. Then Diamond doesn't scratch after about a 35 count from referee Carroll.

For his 4th match we were against Carroll's and C.P.'s Freight Train which was out of Night Train blood. My nephew had seen Freight Train in action and bet me a $100 bill that it would take Texas over an hour to win. Texas and I took that bet in 28 minutes. The weight was 39 lbs. this time.

Texas' next challenge would be the toughest of all. He would be facing a killer. A friend of mine had went to a show in Mississippi and got a report that if he wanted to see Texas fight again to come see this one because this would be his last.

It was his last till about 4 months and then he was hooked up again against Mr. Boyd and his red dog. By the way, the killer from Mississippi was picked up in 2 hours and 3 minutes. Texas is a dog that can be whipped but he's 5 ½ years old and his toughest challenge is yet to come! Texas is a GRAND ole dog and will be used as long as he keeps calling me from his chain.

Texas was bred and owned by R.K. His sire was Champion Copper and his dam was the proven producer Jaw Breaker. Champion Copper was out of Kirkland and Creel's 5 time winner Gator. Gator won his last match against the famous Burton and Fischer's Buckwheat in almost 3 hours, but unfortunately didn't make it after the fight. Jaw Breaker beat G. Smith's bad dog and was out of Kirkland's Scrapper who was also a winner of a match against Kemmer's Rock. Texas won 6 matches and was later beat by Roadblock's GR CH Joey, in what some called the "North vs. South" show. This was a big show as both dogs were Grand Champions.
 

Norris' Coaltrain

The Norris line is often confused as the "Coaltrain line" The dog "Coaltrain" was

Norris'"Coaltrain"

......................Dowds"Southwestern Samson"
............."Streak of Lightning"
......................"Golden Prinsess"
......Curry's"Slim"
......................Curry's"Buster"
..............Gunn's"Dusty"
......................Mill's"Red Star"
Norris"Coaltrain"
......................Streak of Lightning"
.............."Savacool Concrete Frisco"
......................Bell of Garfield"
.......Shonda's"Loni Prim"
......................Smiths Tar Heel's"Boss"
.............."Midnight Lady"
......................Tar Heel's"Rose"

"The "Coaltrain" dog was a hard mouth, strong willed, hard hitting, unstoppable, rough bulldog, with a steel heart." Said by Mr.Sparks before he past away in a conversation with my father.(Spark's produced Norris"Maggie") Norris was very selective and kept his dogs to himself, did not bred out much and rarely sold to the public. The "Coaltrain" dog produced the following dogs, some may be familiar with, these lines are old and are rarely seen bred properly, or hardly even seen anymore for that matter:

..................Norris"Coaltrain"
Gr.Ch.Taylor's"Samhaine"
..................Taylor's"Gabriela"


...................Norris"Coaltrain"
Russel's"Cocoa"
...................Norris"Maggie"


...................Norris"Coaltrain"
Russel's"Razzel"
...................Taylor's"Gabriela"


It is VERY RARE to find a heavy or tight bred "NORRIS COALTRAIN" dog. I was LUCKY, I have stumbled upon him, when he was two, when I view his pedigree, I remember clearly what my father and Sparks had said about the line. And I took em'!

Mr.Luis Colby is NOT even familar with it! And some of dogs he is very familiar with produced a NORRIS dog!!

.........Hetrick's"Colby Pedro
Spark's"Bob"
.........Hetrick's"TNT Blondie"


Spark's"Bob" was bred to Spark's"Amy" and produced Norris"Maggie"

From what I've heard the line is over 100 years old. Each time I come across a dog man whom has been around and is a truly experienced dog man of his time, has the SAME opinion Sparks had about the line, so far I found five people who know of the real Norris line and you know whats strange?........they all work with the Colby line. (NONE know one another)

I don't know "Coaltrain's" show record, I do remember Sparks going over a shown he watched, and said only GREAT things.

I don't go by what others say, I was raised with some great legends in the sporting world of game dogs, and I pretty much know what advice I want to take in and Im glad I listened to Sparks and my father! And bought this dog. Growing up with the these people, I saw and read many books, shows, journals, ect. And this dog I bought with the heavy "Coaltrain" is just what Sparks described

I would highly reccomend the line to ANYONE (IF you find it bred right. I have found a few!!) If you find any heavy Coaltrain please inform me.

I hope I have shed a little light on the line. Iam still studying the rare line today and will continue to do so.

A.Stanley

NORRIS COALTRAIN